|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 2 post(s) |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
264
|
Posted - 2013.01.07 20:45:00 -
[1] - Quote
Tali Ambraelle wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Mine aligned to another part of the belt or to another belt. Warp when a bumper approaches. Bumping solved by being ATK.
Exactly the same tactic that has always provided guaranteed safety from gankers. This shows that you are nothing but biased and have no real credible opinion. This doesn't work with ice mining, which is what they target. You would never be able to complete a cycle. Problem not solved. Typical belligerent undesirable thinking... Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Depends on the skill of the bumper and the bumpee.
Or the miner could just pay 10 million ISK and that's it. No, it doesn't. It's either get bumped or pay. Extortion, risk free extortion. Filth.
You could also MINE ELSEWHERE. Like in another system where the new order is not active. It's not that damn hard. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
264
|
Posted - 2013.01.07 21:01:00 -
[2] - Quote
Boudacca Sangrere wrote:Aracimia Wolfe wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:The subject of "bumping in Eve" and "charging rent in Monopoly" are not even in the same relm in regard to gameplay.
Bumping in non-combat situations is an emergent form of harassment allowed by loose gampley rules. Charging rent is on the other hand, is a clearly written mechanic of gameplay.
One is allowed by loose rules, the other is a specific game mechanic. Trying to equate the two is simply, silly. Bumping is a specific game mechanic. CCP specifically included collisions as a game mechanic. Some space games do not have collision detection at all. Both are quite specific game mechanics. But people playing monopoly understand that they're playing with other people who might sometimes cause them in-game inconvenience. People complaining about bumping do not seem to understand that. And this is what gets me. It's the sense of entitlement. The instantaneous cry of "harrassment" as if they were in a single player game and in a risk free space game. Even X-BTF wasn't that risk free. At First They feel they don't have a defence, fine thats cool, to an extent I think there might be a valid point there. A good bumper is nigh impossible to avoid. Then again lets take a look at the "Scam" itself. 10 mill for 365 days, Christ I fart more than that doing l4's and mining is way more lucrative (I know I've tried it) So what are the options. Pay up, go somewhere else or find an alternative method to combat the agressors. That first one appears to be a point of nothing more than pride. The Second appears to be nothing more than stubbornness and the last one would necessitate the banding together of people which appears to be outside their capabilities, so lets cry for CCP instead. Sheesh. O,k Dialing back the rant a bit, and ignoring completely the cries of the space lawyer inclined (seriously, you're being that guy, you know who you are, don't be that guy.) Surely it would be better all round than instead of crying harassment or griefing to actually give CCP some positive feedback and sensible ideas? Instead of sticking your hands out place some good ideas in the pot. Someone a while back mentioned an anchoring module, kind of like a seige module for ships making them much harder to move. Great idea I felt. Takes power and a module, be bumped or stay still at the loss of tank/cargo/speed e.t.c I am sorry, but that is just silly. Your solution is to give each bumper 10 mil. and trust them not to bump you for a year. Sure honey, if that is what you truely belive I got a..(insert Jita scam du jure) to sell. B,
Move to another system. It's free. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
264
|
Posted - 2013.01.07 23:28:00 -
[3] - Quote
Boudacca Sangrere wrote: Apparently reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Replacing one dumb idea with another seems to be though.
B.
I have not seen a single bumper in months while mining. If you spit on the very easy way to avoind the new order, you should not be blaming anyone for this problem. Deal with it or move. Bumperless mining belts are just a few clicks away. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
265
|
Posted - 2013.01.08 05:36:00 -
[4] - Quote
TharOkha wrote:BoSau Hotim wrote:I'm surprised that the miner bumping 'issue' has become an issue for the Dev's to consider. What about bumping vet miners who mine out all the ore in starter systems? Miner bumping isnt the problem. It can be easy avoided (if you are not AFK) Problem is freighter bumping with frigates and LOL bumping with stabbers so it cannot warp out. It just doesnt make sense
Any "fix" ever proposed for this "problem" always have some major flaw which would make things much worse. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
265
|
Posted - 2013.01.08 05:37:00 -
[5] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:TharOkha wrote:BoSau Hotim wrote:I'm surprised that the miner bumping 'issue' has become an issue for the Dev's to consider. What about bumping vet miners who mine out all the ore in starter systems? Miner bumping isnt the problem. It can be easy avoided (if you are not AFK) Problem is freighter bumping with frigates and LOL bumping with stabbers so it cannot warp out. It just doesnt make sense Logoffski and you disappear in 60s. Log back in a few minutes later and warp off.
It's hard to pull off when you afk auto-pilot a freighter full of stuff. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
265
|
Posted - 2013.01.08 05:50:00 -
[6] - Quote
Anndy wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Even with Ice mining, it takes less time to relock after warping somewhere you're aligned to than slowboating back from wherever you've been bumped to.
Or just pay the 10m ISK.
Or mine Ore if Ice mining is too "risky." yes pay me or i'll do everything in my power to ruin the game for you without any sort of risk to myself, awesome attitude and null sec wonders why no one wants to play with them
Pay me or I will use my right to do what I want. You have the same right btw but remember, having the right to try to mine afk does not mean noone can use his right to have a little bumpercar game with your ship. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
270
|
Posted - 2013.01.08 06:33:00 -
[7] - Quote
Anndy wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Anndy wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Even with Ice mining, it takes less time to relock after warping somewhere you're aligned to than slowboating back from wherever you've been bumped to.
Or just pay the 10m ISK.
Or mine Ore if Ice mining is too "risky." yes pay me or i'll do everything in my power to ruin the game for you without any sort of risk to myself, awesome attitude and null sec wonders why no one wants to play with them Pay me or I will use my right to do what I want. You have the same right btw but remember, having the right to try to mine afk does not mean noone can use his right to have a little bumpercar game with your ship. and that logic is exactly why things need to be change, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should or that its the right thing to do
"The right thing to do" can only be based on a set of morale. This is not present inside the game. Everybody know EvE is advertised as harsh and cold. Any possible kind of "low blows" are accepted as long as the few rules CCP already set were not broken. Evading concord would be an example of somethign that was once possible (not sure about now) where CCP had set strict rules not be be dodged. There are no rules about perturbing a miner activity and there are none needed since there are easy way to avoid being bumped away from your roids/ice. You are not defenseless against a bumper. Same for gankers. Fitting a real tank will usually make most ganker change thier mind about blowing up your ship.
I can orbit a can at the jita undock in a pod but that does not mean people would let me do it alone. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
271
|
Posted - 2013.01.08 06:37:00 -
[8] - Quote
GreenSeed wrote:
and before some narrow-minded individual points out a flaw on this waving it as if its enough to tear down the whole concept... let me enumerate some possible solutions to those flaws.
- if the bump has as recipient of the momentum a static target, the bump gives no flag. - if the bumper is in the same fleet he gets no flag. - if the bumper is in the same player owned corp he gets no flag. - if the bumper bumps into someone else after being the recipient of a bump himself, his bump doesn't count. - chain bumping cant possibly be exploited due to the way momentum transfers between entities in the game. - if the bump takes place between entities in a limited engagement, active wardec, criminal flag, or if the entities are in low or no security space. the bump gives no flag, but triggers aggression in lowsec after twice the amount of bumps. - if the entity already has a suspect flag acquired via bumping, and continues to bump , the flag turns into a criminal flag.
Lets orbit a can in an ibis right at the Jita 4-4 undock for crazy fun flag fest. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
271
|
Posted - 2013.01.08 07:13:00 -
[9] - Quote
TharOkha wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:RubyPorto wrote:TharOkha wrote:BoSau Hotim wrote:I'm surprised that the miner bumping 'issue' has become an issue for the Dev's to consider. What about bumping vet miners who mine out all the ore in starter systems? Miner bumping isnt the problem. It can be easy avoided (if you are not AFK) Problem is freighter bumping with frigates and LOL bumping with stabbers so it cannot warp out. It just doesnt make sense Logoffski and you disappear in 60s. Log back in a few minutes later and warp off. It's hard to pull off when you afk auto-pilot a freighter full of stuff. Yeah, because every freighter pilot is AFKer right? While miner CAN avoid bumping just by simply NOT be AFK, freighter pilot cannot. Im talking about LOL bumping near the gates which is pure grief. And thats why DEVs considers this as an issue. Also bumping freighter with frigate? logic
Care to link where devs sais the issue was about freighter being bumped near gates? |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
272
|
Posted - 2013.01.08 07:24:00 -
[10] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:This is just pure gold. First, miners complained about ganking and hulkageddon but then CCP buffed mining barges and exhumers. Now miners complain about bumping. I wonder what is next .... miners complain about ... other miners depleting their belt?
Lets introduce infinite capacity rocks. THen, as the mineral price goes too low, they will ask for buff to the market value of minerals making ship and stuff require more units to be produced. |
|
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
273
|
Posted - 2013.01.08 09:09:00 -
[11] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:TharOkha wrote:Yeah, because every freighter pilot is AFKer right? While miner CAN avoid bumping just by simply NOT be AFK, freighter pilot cannot. Im talking about LOL bumping near the gates which is pure grief. And thats why DEVs considers this as an issue. Also bumping freighter with frigate? logic http://www.physicstogo.org/images/features/supertanker-large-7-26-07.jpgSmall Ship + Oversized Engine muscles around Giant Ship + Weak engine. Looks like it's working just fine. Just like a Frigate (or more likely a cruiser) bumping a Freighter around. KE=.5MV^2. In other words, a 10mn AB Dramiel (mass 5.9m kg, speed 5800m/s) has 190 trillion Joules of Kinetic energy, while a Charon (mass 960m kg, speed 94m/s) has only 10 trillion Joules of Kinetic energy. (The Dram also carries 2.5 times the momentum of the Charon.) A bog standard 1mn MWD Dramiel (1.5 million kg, 6100m/s) still has over 40 trillion Joules of Kinetic energy to the Freighters 10 trillion. Why are you surprised that a ship with more energy and momentum than your freighter is able to knock your frieghter around?
I just always wonder where all the extra mass given by the MWD comes from. |
|
|
|